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FIVE YEARS of stubborn ignorance. They do not give a shit for the very basics in this product.
The Look & Feel is a general problem from long time: now the notes client have a mix of Eclipse object , Notes ad system object...
Eclipse (Composite Application) for rendering a content of email is so necessary for example?
A new UI/UX should be a new Design, so improve the design of NSF with more control component of UI (CSS? JS? Animation?) this should be the way....add in the limited actual render NSF more extension point for UI should be great!
With 12.0.2 it doesn't look bad. If it would be a drak and a bright theme and if we get rid of the crappy toolbar it would be pretty fair.
After 4 year... the look and feel and and modernity did not come in this client.
Is it so hard to think of taking just the client part without Eclipse and rewriting it in any language? Modernize the rendering of workspaces, and the NSF (Outline, Views, Forms, ActionBar, Action, etc..) by seriously starting at the bottom?
Continuing to carry around Eclipse and adding small bricks does not help in this process.
I don't think, that the general concept is that bad. Mostly all operation systems took over the old fashioned Notes desktop of using icons to start an application. Mostly all apps use actions, buttons and menus on top. That's great use.
Former look and feel changes, like the 'Open List' button (similar to MS 'Start' button) were not really accepted, because the old-fashioned desktop is way more handy. :-) - And then there was that attempt with the bookmark.nsf to provide an individual layout. But the latter is also nowhere in use. - At least not according to my observation.
However, there is still a lot of improvement:
Toolbar and its customization
users of other products envy us Notes user for a configurable and programmable button bar
look and feel should be improved
toolbars sometime mess up and change its order
size of buttons
Desktop and its customisation
having the availability to change the background to an image is only a first shot. That image should have more options like tile, stretch, etc. Images should not stretch, e.g. if using a photo.
I really find it absurd to say "shipped" to such a request... the interface is not modern at all.
And the 64 bit client is still in Beta...
Why do you declare Shipped?
HCL didn't ship ANYTHING new. It's still the same outdated, tired, confusing, and ugly interface we've been staring at for almost two decades. It gets more unstable and unpredictable with every "improvement". I don't know about the rest of the user base, but my company is in the process of evaluating a replacement. We've given Lotus, IBM and HCL plenty of time to bring Domino/Notes into the 21st century. ALL have failed miserably.
Notes needs to evolve and get a new skin. OR even better, have something that we can change it the look and feel in EVERY way, but can use the template as a base.
NOT just the color.
Don't be like IBM and other programs that TELL users what they want, we are listening to the users and this is it's biggest flaw.
9/10 th of what user care about is look, feel and ease of use.
The 11.0.1 and 12 are made for engineers.
If you want a good Beta testers for the client, get grandma/grandpa or a 10 years old to test, not someone who has used it for years and years.
IBM made this mistake for YEARS.... I hope HCL does not do the same.
More changes to come in 12.0.1 - a blog post will be published later this week.
I agree that it is now easier to upgrade and has a 64-bit version and that it is faster and lighter, but I disagree that the Notes client has had a drastic improvement in appearance, in my opinion the workspace is more modern.
It still needs to improve some things, but it's evolving...
What remains to evolve are the interface components of the internal applications that run on Notes (Tables, Buttons, Fields, Views Grid), just look at some templates and see how nothing has changed in recent years!
In Notes version 10, there was a slight change in action bars and buttons, but if we compare Notes with a web browser like Firefox or Chrome, we see how it changes the appearance of a web page containing a simple form without CSS or Bootstrap , in the latest Firefox update (https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/news/modern-clean-new-firefox-clears-the-way-to-all -you-need-online /) the fields have a rounded border, highlighted when the cursor is in focus, nice checkbox and radio buttons, new guide design, simplified context menus (Meanwhile the notes document properties window can't even be resized https://domino-ideas.hcltechsw.com/ideas/NTS-I-11 ). I know the Notes client is not a browser and you can't compare such different software to another, but what I expected would be a drastic change in the appearance of Notes would be something similar to what Firefox or Chrome has been doing during their updates .
Change should not be limited to the search field, menu, status bar or desktop! Most important are the applications running on the client; they must be changed in some way with new software versions. Perhaps something similar to what was available for Xpage with the Oneui Themes (oneui, oneui2 and oneui3), where screen elements could change with a simple change to the application properties. This would make existing and new customers understand how the HCL Notes Client is evolving and keeping up to date to meet the needs of modern times.
I’m running the latest V12 code. Basically, NOTHING changed. Oh wait, they removed the Notes 8 theme...
I think the look and fell idea is not represented in the v12 sorry....
It's not a drastic or modern change.
It takes more work to confirm that the idea was actually implemented
Notes Client V12 has been released and it introduces a new look & feel https://help.hcltechsw.com/notes/12.0.0/client/whatsnew_new_look.html
The beta version of the 64-bit Notes Client is available for download at Flexnet
Performance improvements in Notes V12 : https://help.hcltechsw.com/notes/12.0.0/client/performance_improvements.html
For easier upgrades of the Notes Client please refer to Notes AutoUpdate https://help.hcltechsw.com/domino/12.0.0/admin/inst_aut_overview.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0EPifNh-_g
or watch for latest news at https://www.panagenda.com/products/marvelclient/
To eliminate Notes Client upgrades completely, customers can now use HCL Nomad for Web Browsers. https://help.hcltechsw.com/nomad/1.0_web/nomad_web.html
Just don't make it look like Gmail, which sucks IMHO.
V11 is not what we need. We need to take lotus to 2020.
We need sometrhing like Volt but volt is very light, we cant implement very complex applications in volt.
Please make it more user friendly, Don't think everyone using Notes Client have a technical background.
all my customers were very disappointed with Client Notes version 11.0.1.
Everyone says "the bodywork has changed but the engine is the same".
I hope the "Likely to implement" was not referring to 11.0.1 release
Please provide more details
i have install the new lotus notes 11. it does not look good. it is same as before
can we make the lotus notes look like facebook apps or google Gmail interface. to make it good for millennium.
Can you disconnect Notes client from Administrator and Designer. Now when client hangs-up you have to restart all and you loose you work in Designer